CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 22

CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 22 • 5/31/1997
From: StereoBoy
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 12:14:11 -0400 (EDT)
To: ceds@teleport.com
Subject: Re: CED VS LD Skips

In a message dated 97-05-25 10:41:24 EDT, Ted Dudziak writes:

<< It was surprising tous that LD had "skips" just like CED.  It was a
preception then that the LD should not have had the problem since it was not
a mechnaical pickup
 like CED.  We also thought that there was more robust signal processing
 on the front end than we had.  Not the case.  Their skip problems were,
 in our opinion greater than ours. Also their recovery mechanism was very
 poor.  Many times the LD would not recover. >>

Actually, the skips from early MCA DiscoVision discs were due to the
combination of player and disc. The Magnavox Magnavision VH-8000 (and 8005)
players could only track near perfect discs, and thus did not do well with
the majority of software comming out of MCA's Carson main production and
Costa Mesa Pilot Plant.  The introduction of Pioneer's VP-1000 for Christmas
1980, pretty much eliminated all skipping except in the case of VERY
defective discs.  Since MCA DiscoVision was pressing discs on what were
(slightly modified) conventional LP record presses, and were NOT using clean
room conditions (clean rooms at DiscoVision did not happen until IBM came on
board), the tracks of the discs would end up out of spec.  Even a track that
is slightly out of spec will cause the disc to LaserLock or skip.  Pioneer
incorporated additional lens movement capability into thier VP-1000 to handle
the out of spec tracks...this lead to Philips lodging an official complaint
with MCA charging collusion between Pioneer and DiscoVision and with hiding
the problems from Philips.

With the opening of Pioneer's Kofu plant in Japan, and the truly clean room
conditions, skipping and laser lock were a thing of the past.

I bought my first LD player X-Mas 81 (a Pioneer LD-1100) and the skipping
problem, even with DiscoVision titles was MUCH less severe than CED's.  I got
my (SGT-250) CED player Jan 83, and was horrified by the skips.  It was so
bad that I stopped buying CED discs alltogether, and wasn't until the release
of the SJT-400 that I started buying again. (and while that player was MUCH,
MUCH better, it still would skip 100% more than LD) Plus, you didn't have to
worry about skipping increasing with time on a LaserDisc (unless you
scratched it horribly) as you did with a CED.

>>Next was the delamination of the LD's.  This was a major problem for
LD's and there were many recalls of titles.  LD's were produces as two
separate discs and then laminated together.  A process that was never
fully perfected until later.  As you might recall the number of LD's was
greatly reduced after the demise of CED.<<

Actually, DiscoVision titles had no problems with LaserRot (Delamination),
which is caused by the glue bonding the two sides together eating through the
aluminum coating.  If a DiscoVision title made it to the store in good
condition, it would stay that way (I have over 200 MCA DiscoVision titles and
have NEVER had one rot...if it's good, it stays good).  DiscoVision's problem
was inclusion (dust, insects, etc..trapped beneath the plastic of the disc)
caused my the non-clean room enviroment, and discs that didn't meet the
MCA/Philips spec; and the Magnavox players of the time.
Pioneer DID have a major problem with LaserRot, in both the American and
Japan plant. It was eventually traced to an impurity in the water used to mix
the bonding glue.  Pioneer DID issue a recall of titles in '86 or so, but it
had nothing to do with the demise of CED...in fact, most of the titles were
eventually repressed. (except for titles made by the horrid, and now,
thankfuly out of business, Technidisc)

We can thank RCA for starting the practice of using high quality, lowcon
negatives for all transfers. DiscoVision was the first to use a Rank Cintel
Mark III flying-spot scanner, but it was RCA who insisted on negatives
instead of prints for the best video quality. I remember how stunning the
Star Wars CED transfer was. It looked better than the LD since RCA routinely
redid transfers for VideoDisc release. (I have a single-sided, floppy, test
LaserDisc pressing by MCA DiscoVision from 1975, of High Planes Drifter, and
it was transfered using a conventional film chain. While the disc plays fine
on todays players, the transfer shows just how big an advance the Rank truly
was)

One last thing...in regards to pricing...I love CED and all, but it bugs me
when people say CED VideoDiscs were the first low cost titles on home video.
 Not true. MCA DiscoVision's original list prices (1978-79) were $5.95, $9.95
and $15.95 per title (for boxed, multi-disc sets!)...can't get much cheaper
than that!

Cheers!
Ty Chamberlain
StereoBoy@aol.com
Visit the DTS Fan Club http://members.aol.com/dtsfanclub

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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:53:48 +0300
From: sobel 
To: ceds@teleport.com
Subject: ad to sell ceds & players

I have the following discs to sell, along with three SKT 400 players
with remotes and owner's manuals.  I want to sell everything as a
package to make shipping worthwhile.  All discs were purchased new and
those noted are still in the original shrink wrap with the original
price tags attached.  I am open to offers for the package.  I can be
reached by e-mail sobel@isracom.co.il or phone 00972 50 391121. Every-
thing is in pristine condition and I'm selling because I don't have room
in my new apartment here for all of this stuff.  Now here's the list:

BAREFOOT CONTESSA	DOUBLE
KNOCK ON ANY DOOR
HEAVEN CAN WAIT
CODE OF SILENCE
MEET ME IN ST. LOUIS	NEW
RED DAWN
STONE KILLER
THE DOGS OF WAR
HE KNOWS YOU'RE ALONE
BOLERO			DOUBLE
DOMINO PRINCIPLE
FINAL EXAM
SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT 3
LADY SINGS THE BLUES	DOUBLE
THINGS ARE TOUGH ALL OVER
THE GOOD, BAD AND UGLY	DOUBLE	NEW
YOUNGS DRS. IN LOVE	NEW
GUYS AND DOLLS		DOUBLE	NEW
MONTY PYTHON LIVE AT THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL	NEW
FOREPLAY
TICKET TO HEAVEN		NEW
DRESSED TO KILL			NEW
SOYLENT GREEN			NEW
THE JAZZ SINGER (JOLSON)	NEW
ELVIS--JAILHOUSE ROCK		NEW
COMPLEAT BEATLES		NEW
GIRL GROUPS			NEW
ROD STEWART LIVE AT L.A. FORUM
JOE PISCOPO VIDEO
A SHOT IN THE DARK
BUDDY BUDDY
DOG DAY AFTERNOON
ASHFORD AND SIMPSON
SOUNDER
CHEECH AND CHONG'S NICE DREAMS
ROAD GAMES
VERA CRUZ
AGNES OF GOD
HANG 'EM HIGH
ROLLING THUNDER
DELIVERANCE
BRUBAKER		DOUBLE
HUD
TOPKAPI
LITTLE BIG MAN		DOUBLE
CARRIE			NEW
ANY WHICH WAY YOU CAN	
THE NEW CENTURIONS
THE GREAT SANTINI
MORE CANDID CANDID CAMERA
EDDIE AND THE CRUISERS
EVERY WHICH WAY BUT LOOSE
TENDER MERCIES
HAROLD AND MAUDE
BRAINSTORM
WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION
GATOR HELL INTHE PACIFIC
BOLSHOI BALLET THE NUTCRACKER
LOLITA			DOUBLE	NEW
LOGAN'S RUN
LA CAGE AUX FOLLES II
SUMMER OF 42
MY FAVORITE YEAR		NEW
FRIDAY THE 13TH
GIRL GROUPS	(DUPLICATE COPY)
CANNERY ROW
SUMMER LOVERS			NEW
TO FORGET VENICE		NEW
THE TIME MACHINE
THE FINAL TERROR		NEW
COMPLEAT BEATLES (DUPLICATE COPY) NEW
7 BRIDES FOR 7 BROTHERS		NEW
THE GETTING OF WISDOM		NEW
WIFEMISTRESS
LADY SINGS THE BLUES (DUPLICATE COPY)	DOUBLE
GREGORY'S GIRL			NEW
THE SACRED MUSIC OF DUKE ELLINGTON
THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE
MEL BROOK'S HISTORY OF THE WORLD PT 1 NEW
JOAN OF ARC			NEW
DIANA ROSS IN CONCERT
REAL GENIUS
CHAPLIN--CITY LIGHTS
CBS FOX VIDEO CED ENTERTAINMENT SAMPLER DISC
CERTAIN FURY
THE COLLECTOR
BELLS ARE RINGING	NEW
BULLWINKLE AND ROCKY CARTOONS VOLUME 2
THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH	DOUBLE
THE CINCINNATI KID
VOLUNTEERS
VICTORY
ALTERED STATES
BILLY JACK
EYEWITNESS
THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT
MAKING OF...RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
MAGNUM FORCE
THE SWAP (DENIRO)
THE MEAN SEASON
MIDNIGHT COWBOY
SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE VOLUME 1
THE FRONT
BEING THERE		DOUBLE
LENNY BRUCE PERFORMANCE FILM
THEY CALL ME MISTER TIBBS!
GIRL GROUPS   (DUPLICATE COPY)
CHAPLIN--MODERN TIMES
DOLLARS
TATTOO
WINTER KILLS
THE STAR CHAMBER
BREAKOUT
THE TERMINATOR
ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST		DOUBLE
BULLITT
WEST SIDE STORY				DOUBLE
BODY HEAT
MANHATTAN
FIRST BLOOD
WINTER KILLS	(DUPLICATE COPY)
CABERET				NEW
STAR TREK TV CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER AND LET THAT BE YOUR
LAST         BATTLEFIELD
WORLD ACCORDING TO GARP		DOUBLE	NEW
THE EVIL THAT MEN DO
HOLOCAUST BOXED SET		FOUR DISCS	NEW
OUT OF THE PAST
THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR
GOLD DIGGERS OF 1935
GOLD DIGGERS OF 1933
STAR TREK II THE WRATH OF KHAN	NEW
LAST TANGO IN PARIS	NEW DOUBLE
"LENNY"
OUTLAND
FUN WITH DICK AND JANE
ELVIS 1968 COMEBACK SPECIAL	NEW
HANKY PANKY
THE BEST OF JUDY GARLAND	
RUSTLER'S RHAPSODY		NEW
THE SHINING			DOUBLE	NEW
DR. ZHIVAGO			DOUBLE
THE ROARING 20'S
THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN		DOUBLE
BROADWAY DANNY ROSE
PUBLIC ENEMY
QUICK DOG TRAINING		NEW
DEATH WISH 3		NEW
AFRICAN QUEEN		NEW
THE MAKING OF...STAR WARS AND THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
THE ENFORCER
WHITE LINE FEVER
DAYS OF HEAVEN
FALLING IN LOVE AGAIN
MY FAVORITE YEAR (DUPLICATE COPY)
ON THE TOWN
CUTTER'S WAY
IRMA LA DOUCE		DOUBLE	NEW
TRUE CONFESSIONS		NEW
THE SOUND OF MUSIC		DOUBLE	NEW
WAR LOVER
LAST VALLEY		DOUBLE
VICE SQUAD
BATTLE OF BRITAIN		DOUBLE
TEACHERS
RACING WITH THE MOON
ELTON JOHN VISIONS		NEW
BOYS FROM BRAZIL
DIRTY DOZEN			DOUBLE
SIMON AND GARFUNKEL CENTRAL PARK
THE MAN WHO WOULD BE KING		DOUBLE
THE FRENCH CONNECTION
OUTSIDERS
PURPLE RAIN-PRINCE
GODZILLA--THE ORIGINAL		NEW
THE WAR OF THE WORLDS		NEW
NEIGHBORS		NEW
POPEYE CARTOONS VOL.1		NEW
THE SECRET POLICEMEAN'S OTHER BALL	NEW
BETTE MIDLER DIVINE MADNESS
DIANA ROSS CONCERT (DUPLICATE COPY)
CADDYSHACK		NEW
NATIONAL LAMPOON'S VACATION		NEW
WHEN A STRANGER CALLS
S.O.B.			DOUBLE
TOWERING INFERNO		DOUBLE	NEW
MEATBALLS			NEW
BOB AND CAROL AND TED AND ALICE		NEW
START TO FINISH		NEW
APOCALYPSE NOW		DOUBLE
THE CHINA SYNDROME	NEW
THE AMITYVILLE HORROR II--THE POSSESSION	NEW
THE ELEPHANT MAN	DOUBLE
MARX BROTHERS'DUCK SOUP		NEW
THE MAIN EVENT
MOVING VIOLATIONS
D.A.R.Y.L.		NEW
MARX BROTHERS'ANIMAL CRACKERS
HELLO DOLLY		DOUBLE
HIGH ANXIETY-MEL BROOKS
ROCKY IV
SATURDAY THE 14TH		NEW
SENIORS
WITHOUT A TRACE
BAD BOYS--SEAN PENN
BREAKER MORANT
HALLOWEEN3		N32
PRETTY BABY
PENGUIN SUMMER AND THE WONDERFUL KANGAROO
BEST DEFENSE
STEVIE
HIGH NOON
CITY HEAT
THE NATURAL		DOUBLE
TERROR IN THE AISLES
MR. MOM
THE INCUBUS		NEW
MY BODYGUARD
IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES		NEW
SWING SHIFT
LOSIN'IT		NEW
THE WILD LIFE		NEW
THE APARTMENT		NEW
]EXCALIBUR		DOUBLE
LOSING IT (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
HENRY V			NEW 	DOUBLE
ROMAN HOLIDAY		NEW
DISNEY CARTOON PARADE VOLUME 3		NEW
MOVIE MOVIE
SILVER STREAK		NEW
THEY SHOOT HORSES, DON'T THEY?	NEW
MILDRED PIERCE		NEW
HAMLET		NEW	DOUBLE
MOMMIE DEAREST	NEW	DOUBLE
RICH AND FAMOUS	NEW
CHRISTINE MCVIE'S THE VIDEO ALBUM	NEW
THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN (DUPLICATE COPY)	DOUBLE	NEW
THE FRENCH LIEUTENANT'S WOMAN		NEW
JULES VERNE'S MYSTERIOUS ISLAND
LA CAGE AUX FOLLES
GRAPES OF WRATH		DOUBLE
CAPTAIN BLOOD		NEW
42ND STREET		NEW
ELVIS--KING CREOLE		NEW
USED CARS
INTO THE NIGHT
DIANA ROSS MAHOGANY
BEST FRIENDS		NEW
TUFF TURF		NEW
ESCAPE TO ATHENA
12 ANGRY MEN		NEW
BEATLES LET IT BE
WEEKEND PASS
ARSENIC AND OLD LACE
AGENCY
TOMMY
CLOCK AND DAGGER
EL CID		DOUBLE
ICE CASTLES		NEW
SEPERATE TABLES		NEW
MOSES		DOUBLE	NEW
THE DRESSER
THE IN LAWS
I THE JURY
SUDDEN IMPACE
KLUTE 16 CANDLES
SPIES LIKE US
A MAN CALLED HORSE		DOUBLE	NEW
THE LION IN WINTER		DOUBLE	NEW
GRADUATION DAY	NEW
HEAVEN'S GATE		DOUBLE	NEW
UNDER FIRE
THE FINAL CONFLICT
THE HUSTLER		DOUBLE
HERE COMES MR. JORDAN		NEW
TOM AND JERRRY CARTOONS VOLUME 3		NEW
BETRAYAL
ALL OF ME
AN EYE FOR AN EYE
TURK 182
CHARIOTS OF FIRE
THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM
JAWS 3
THE LION IN WINTER	(DUPLICATE COPY) DOUBLE	NEW
UTOPIA
FALLING IN LOVE AGAIN (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
THE WIZARD OF OZ	NEW
RUN SILENT RUN DEEP		NEW
INVITATION TO A GUNFIGHTER		NEW
THE SEA WOLVES		DOUBLE
THE HIGH ROAD TO CHINA
INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS
THEY DRIVE BY NIGHT
QUICK DOG TRAINING (DUPLICATE COPY)
THE HOSPITAL	NEW
THE EXTERMINATOR	NEW
FINAL ASSIGNMENT	NEW
CBS MAN ON THE MOON
YES, GIORGIO
ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES
ON GOLDEN POND		NEW
F.I.S.T.		NEW
FORT APACHE, THE BRONX
CONAN THE BARBARIAN		NEW	DOUBLE
ELMER GANTRY	DOUBLE
MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER		NEW
AIRPORT		DOUBLE	NEW
ELVIS--FLAMING STAR		NEW
MAUSOLEUM
WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY?		NEW
ZIEGFIELD FOLLIES
A DOLL'S HOUSE
CARLIN @ CARNEGIE	NEW
LAURA
JULIA		NEW
BETWEEN THE LINES
ENEMY MINE		NEW
EVILSPEAK		NEW
THE OWL AND THE PUSSYCAT		NEW
BLAME IT ON RIO		NEW
THE MAN WITH ONE RED SHOE		NEW
STAR TREK TV--BALANCE OF TERRO AND MIRROR, MIRROR
THE PRIDE AND THE PASSION		DOUBLE
ALICE'S RESTAURANT		NEW
THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO		NEW
SHOOT THE MOON
MICHAEL NESMITH'S ELEPHANT PARTS		NEW
HARRY CHAPIN'S FINAL CONCER		NEW
RCA VIDEODISC PREVIEW ALBUM GENE KELLY 1983
THE INN OF THE SIXTH HAPPINESS		NEW	DOUBLE
SINGING IN THE RAIN
SERGEANT YORK		DOUBLE		NEW
THE PIRATE		NEW
YANKEE DOODLE DANDY
ZERO TO SIXTY
COMA		NEW
THE QUIET MAN		DOUBLE
ZAPPED		NEW
THE FORMULA		NEW
THE BEST OF JUDY GARLAND (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
TREASURE ISLAND		NEW
AN UNMARRIED WOMAN		NEW
THE GOODBYE GIRL		NEW
CARBON COPY		NEW
ELVIS--VIVA LAS VEGAS		NEW
COMING HOME		DOUBLE	NEW
A THOUSAND CLOWNS
MAN OF LA MANCHA		DOUBLE	NEW
HELLHOLE	NEW
CAROLE KING ONE TO ONE		NEW
CHAPLIN--THE GREAT DICTATOR
JUGGERNAUT
THE DUTCHESS AND TH EDIRTWATER FOX
AGATHA CHRISTIE'S THE MIRROR CRACK'D
THE SUNSHINE BOYS		NEW
WASN'T THAT A TIME		NEW
ABBOTT AND COSTELLO IN AFRICA SCREAMS		NEW
FAME				NEW
TO FORGET VENICE (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
HALLOWEEN 2
MAX DUGAN RETURNS		NEW
AUTHOR!AUTHOR!		NEW
DILLINGER		NEW
CLASS REUNION NATIONAL LAMPOON'S	NEW
FASTBREAK		NEW
SHARKEY'S MAHCINE
AVALANCHE		NEW
BUDDY HACKETT	NEW
GANDHI		DOUBLE
CANDID CANDID CAMERA
LADYHAWK		NEW
MISSOURI BREAKS
THE FUGITIVE TV FINAL EPISODE
EXODUS		DOUBLE		NEW
THE MISFITS			NEW
FAREWELL MY LOVELY
OBSESSION
BRONCO BILLY
AN AMERICAN IN PARIS
PLAYBOY VOLUME 1		NEW
STARTING OVER
THE LOVE BUG
THE PIRATE		NEW
DR. SEUSS HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS	NEW
FINAL ASSIGNMENT		NEW
ISLAND OF DR. MOREAU
CASABLANCE
BORN FREE		NEW
PRINCE'S TRUST ROCK GALA		NEW
NORTH BY NORTHWEST		DOUBLE	NEW
BITCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID
THE DEFIANT ONES
AGATHA CHRISTIE'S EVIL UNDER THE SUN
CATCH 22
BORN LOSERS
DISNEY'S THE BLACK HOLE
HOPSCOTCH
BUGS BUNNY ROAD RUNNER MOVIE
ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ
VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED
MY FAVORITE YEAR (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
ENDANGERED SPECIES(DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
THE CANDIDATE
MY LITTLE CHICKADEE--W.C. FIELDS
NEVER GIVE A SUCKER AN EVEN BREAK-W.C. FIELDS
TO BE OR NOT TO BE (JACK BENNY)
TO BE OR NOT TO BE (MEL BROOKS)
FIRESTARTER
BOSTON STRANGLER
PRINCE OF THE CITY		DOUBLE
THE BETSY
ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN		DOUBLE
DIVA
CHATTERBOX
SHAFT
STROKER ACE
REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE--JAMES DEAN
MOTHER LODE
THE LORDS OF DISCIPLINE
THE STUNT MAN		DOUBLE
JEZEBEL
SHAMPOO
STARMAN
ON THE WATERFRONT
CAT PEOPLE
MAKING LOVE
THE THING (ORIGINAL)	NEW
HOUSE ON SORORITY ROW	NEW
THE MAN WHO LOVED WOMEN
THE STARS ON 45
THE ELEPHANT MAN (MARBLE ARCH PRODUCTION)		NEW
BIRDMAN OF ALCATRAZ		DOUBLE		NEW
SPIES LIKE US (DUPLICATE COPY)		NEW
WEIRD SCIENCE
WASHINGTON AFFAIR		NEW
WOODY WOODPECKER CARTOONS		NEW
ZORRO
THREE STOOGES VOLUME 2
SHAMUS
LONE WOLF MCQUADE
MASK
THREE STOOGES VOLUME 1
THREE STOOGES VOLUME 3
PENNIES FROM HEAVEN
TIME BANDITS
THE OSCAR
SWEPT AWAY
THOSE MAGNIFICENT MEN IN THEIR FLYING MACHINES	DOUBLE (DUAL SOUNDTRAX)
PROTOCOL                NEW
AMERICAN GIGOLO		NEW
MODERN PROBLEMS		NEW
MILDRED PIERCE
TURNING POINT		NEW
JUNIOR BONNER
WRONG IS RIGHT
THE SAILOR WHO FELL FROM GRACE	NEW
THR WORLD'S GREATEST LOVER
BREATHLESS
THE THING (JOHN CARPENTER'S)
THE CANNONBALL RUN
DEATH HUNT
THE BIG RED ONE
TIME RIDER
WESTWORLD
THE SURVIVORS
BLOODY MAMA
AL PACINO--CRUISING
ODD COUPLE		NEW
CANNONBALL RUN 2
GAME OF DEATH
IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT		NEW
THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING, THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING	NEW
CAT BALLOU		NEW
MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON
AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN PARIS
FUZZ		NEW
TEMPEST		DOUBLE
THE AMITYVILLE HORROR		NEW
THE LONGEST YARD		NEW
STAYING ALIVE                   NEW
GOOD GUYS WEAR BLACK		NEW
THE CHANGELING
BOND--THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN		NEW
BEST OF TERRYTOONS CARTOONS		NEW
THE END		NEW
THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER
SUMMER OF 42 (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
SPARTACUS		DOUBLE
SATURN 3		NEW
PAPER CHASE		NEW
CAPTAIN BLOOD (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
BOND--YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE		DOUBLE	NEW
POSEIDEN ADVENTURE		NEW
FIRST BORN		NEW
THE SOLDIER
GUNFIGHT AT THE OK CORRAL
THAT CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON
STAR TREK TV--AMOK TIME/JOURNEY TO BABEL
EAST OF EDEN--JAMES DEAN
PORKY'S II
THE MOUSE THAT ROARED
LITTLE CAESAR
MISSING IN ACTION II
TRAPEZE
ALL THE MARBLES
TRUE CONFESSIONS (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
DARK VICTORY
MARTY
FANTASTIC VOYAGE
SPELLBOUND
BAFFLED
RIO LOBO		NEW
OKLAHOMA		DOUBLE	NEW
PETRIFIED FOREST
THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH
FRANCES
THE HARDER THEY COME		NEW
CHARLY
BULLWINKLE AND ROCKY CARTOONS VOLUME 1
KILLER FORCE
EXCAPE FROM NEW YORK
THE ENTITY
THE DEFIANT ONES (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
TOM AND JERRY CARTOONS
DEATH WISH 2 		NEW
BLOW OUT		NEW
GILDA
CHRISTINE
PLAYMATE REVIEW --PLAYBOY
KELLY'S HEROES		DOUBLE
TAKING OF PELHAM 1,2,3,		NEW
RETURN TO MACON COUNTY
THE PIRATE		NEW
THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL (DUPLICATE COPY)
DAMIEN OMEN 2                   NEW
NIGHT OF THE COMET		NEW
PLAYBOY VIDEO VOLUME 4		NEW
PLAYBOY VIDEO VOLUME 3		NEW
PLAYBOY VIDEO VOLUME 2		NEW
FUTUREWORLD
GENTLEMEN JIM		NEW
JINXED			NEW
EUROPEAN VACATION NATIONAL LAMPOON'S	NEW
MURPHY'S ROMANCE		NEW
MELODY		NEW
THE WORLD OF HENRY ORIENT		NEW
THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE		NEW
BOND--THUNDERBALL		DOUBLE		NEW
THE BIRDS		NEW
THE DETECTIVE
BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
TREASURE OF THE 4 CROWNS
HAIR		NEW
ROLLERBALL		NEW
TEDDY PENDERGRASS LIVE IN LONDON
MONSIGNOR
MY FAIR LADY		DOUBLE	NEW
WHAT'S NEW PUSSYCAT?
MYSTERY DISC MURDER ANYONE?  INTERACTIVE
MYSTERY DISC MANY ROADS TO MURDER INTERACTIVE
"Z"	NEW
THE GAUNTLET
BORN LOSERS		NEW
THE AMATEUR
JOHNNY DANGEROUSLY
JAMES TAYLOR IN CONCERT
ELVIS' 1968 COMEBACK SPECIAL (DUPLICATE COPY)
MAGIC (ANTHONY HOPKINS)
CINCINNATI KID (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
FORCED VENGEANCE
LIAR'S MOON
REDS		DOUBLE
THE BEAST WITHIN		NEW
VISITING HOURS
TRUE CONFESSIONS		(DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
MAJOR DUNDEE
THE SPIRAL STAIRCASE
PRINCE AND THE PAUPER
ALL THAT JAZZ
ALL THE RIGHT MOVES		NEW
BONNIE AND CLYDE		NEW
BOOGEYMAN		NEW
A SMALL TOWN IN TEXAS		NEW
WHITE HEAT
BUS STOP MARILYN MONROE
TOM AND JERRY CARTOONS VOLUME II
ROLLING STONES LET'S SPEND THE NIGHT TOGETHER
A MATTER OF TIME
THE SANDS OF IWO JIMA
BLACK STAR
NIGHT AT THE OPERA--THE MARX BROTHERS
THE BIG CHILL		NEW
HOT SHORTS
SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE VOLUME II
THE FORMULA (DUPLICATE COPY)
THE PINK PANTHER STRIKES AGAIN
THE PRIDE OF THE YANKEES		DOUBLE
DON'T LOOK NOW
DIAL M FOR MURDER
STAR TREK TV--THE SPACE SEED AND THE CHANGELING
WHERE'S POPPA?
NIGHT SHIFT
JINXED (DUPLICATE COPY)
PORKY'S REVENGE		NEW
LASSIE'S RESCUE RANGERS	NEW
A STRANGER IS WATCHING
THIEF OF HEARTS
WHITE LIGHTNING
STRANGERS ON A TRAIN
THE MECHANIC
BREAKHEART PASS
BELLS ARE RINGING (DUPLICATE COPY)	NEW
TARZAN, THE APE MAN		DOUBLE	NEW
STAR TREK TV--THE TROUBLE WITH TRIBBBLES AND THE THOLONIAN WEB
NETWORK		NEW
STAR TREK TV--THE MENAGERIE
STALAG 17	NEW
A STAR IS BORN--JUDY GARLAND		DOUBLE
FOOTLIGHT PARADE
POPEYE CARTOONS VOLUME 1
BODY DOUBLE
REEFER MADNESS
THE TRAIL OF THE PINK PANTHER
THIEF
REVENGE OF THE PINK PANTHER
HOW TO MARRY A MILLIONAIRE		NEW
THE LONE RANGER		NEW
CREEPSHOW
MASK
BACK ROADS
DEADLY BLESSING		NEW
NATE AND HAYES		NEW
THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO		NEW
THE ROAD WARRIOR		NEW

Thank you for reading my ad and I hope my collection fulfills your
needs

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From: Proton958
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:41:34 -0400 (EDT)
To: ceds@teleport.com, Tdudziak
Subject: Re: CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 21

Tom, this latest issue was really great!   Full of very interesting items
about the 
good old days of CED collecting!  I really enjoy the letters from Ted Dudziak
and
would like to think he could contribute a new item to each newsletter.  His
stories
are always of great interest to us all.  Keep up the great work!    Glenn

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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 01:02:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: bnelson
Subject: 1980's video disc collection, CED ( CAPACITANCE ELECRONIC DISC
	SYSTEM..
To: ceds@teleport.com

 ->
bnceds57 

Thank you for your  e mail request today on my brief memo mentioned in  the 
INTERNET  CED DIGEST vol 1, no. 21.  IF YOU ARE INTERESTED In   purchasing my 
ced video disc collection and players please contact me as indicated below.  AS 
 I INDICATED I am  in  Houston and am not interested  in wrapping and mail this 
collection. 
 If  you
you are located in the Houston area you could come by to pick it up I am more 
inclinded to sell it to you. 
Since there were numerous requests I just took the time  to type out the main 
title of the discs that I have. The titles will be in CAPS.  There will be a
few 
typos.  You can reach me at: 
  
Brian Nelson, 
 31 Gessner Rd. ( for the next few weeks we will be at this address.I am not 
sure what our new address will be but the  e mail, beeper, mobile phone voice 
mail will be the same. ) 
Houston, TX 77024
tel. 713-467-3191
email bnelson@onramp. net. 
mobile 281-546-8368
pager 713-867-3929
The players I have are as follows.

RCA SELECTAVISION SsJT300,
RCA SELECTAVISION SJT100
MONKY WARDS GEN10301.
  REALISTIC 16-301,
 RCA Selectovision Stereo.SGT. 250
Some work and some do not. I prefer to sell the whole thing as a unit but if 
there is  a particular disc that you can't live without and have money ready to 
go then  call and if I still have it we can sell it to you. 

My CED Collection  consists of :(Typos not corrected for the most part. )

Box 1.

MEET ME IN ST./ LOUIS,    GUNFIGHT AT THE OK CORRAL, STAYING ALIVE,
RING OF BRIGHT WATER, 42ND STREET, THE BLUE LAGOON,
10, STARTING OVER,  LOVE BUG,
INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW,
JANE FONDAS WORK OUT,  TRAIL OF THE PINK PANTHER, WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY,
THE WAR OF THE WORLDS, ROCKY III,  WILLIE NELSON AND FAMILY IN CONCERT,
OCTOPUSSY PART 1,   STAYING ALIVE-2, THE STUNTMAN, 
TOOTSIE, ROMANCING THE STONE, ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 2 OF 2,
DOCTOR DETROIT, ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 2 OF 2, THE GOODBY GIRL,
PlAY IT AGAIN SAM,  end of box 1. total 28

Box 2. 
SUPERMAN THE MOVE PART 1 OF 2, THE BLUE MAX, STAR COUNTRY MUSIC FAIR,
CANNERY ROW, OCTOPUS PART 2, THE DEFIANT ONES,
THRILLER, MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS, ,MARATHON MAN,
MOVIE MOVIE, MONSIGNOR, NOTHING PERSONAL,.
ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 1 OF 2, THE PRODUCERS, HERE AND NOW,
PRETTY  BABY, THE STONE KILLER,  THRILLER, 
MUPPET MOVIE, GRAPES OF WRATH PART 1, OLD YELLER,
SUPERMAN II, 48 HOURS, SUPERMAN II, 
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK,  BEASTMASTER, HAROLD AND MAUDE.
end of  box 2,   27 discs

box 3. 
STAR TREK  SPACE SEED/ THE CHANGLEING, FRIDAY THE 13TH,IMPROPER  CHANNELS,
CARRIE, BREAKOUT, CARNY, 
BETRAYL, CARNAL KNOWLEDGE, BANANAS,
STAR 80, RAGING BULL, THE EXORCIST, 
WHOLLY MOSES, AEROBICISE, ON GOLDEN POND, 
PAPER MOON, THE HORSE SOLDIERS, CLASH OF THE  TITIANS,
I OUGHT TO BE IN PICTURES, THE ELEPHANT MAN, EDUCATING RITA, 
ENTER THE DRAGON, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK.
end of box 3   23 discs

box 4

TEN COMMANDMENT 2 OF 2, THE ROSE, GREASE, 
XTRO, QUEEN GREATEST FLIX, HOOPER,  
WORLD OF WILD LIFE VOL. 1. ,STILL OF THE NIGHT,  RACE FOR YOUR LIFE CHARLIE 
BROWN,
ORDINARY PEOPLE  PART 1 OF 2, URBAN COWBOY, EVENING WITH ROBIN WILLIAMS,
STAR TREK II, WRATH OF KHAN, NICE DREAMS,
TEN COMMANDMENT PART 1 OF 2, JANE FONDAS NEW WORKOUT, 
SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT, CHARIOTS OF FIRE, DOCTOR DETROIT, 
SHANE, COUSIN COUSINE, TIME BANDITS,
LASSISTER, WHITE LIGHTNING, MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON,
PRIVATE BENJAMIN, STRIPES.

end of box 4   29 discs

box 5, 
STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE P. 1 of 2, STRAW DOGS, THE ROSE, 
SEMI TOUGH, THE BIG CHILL, THE FINAL CONFLICT, 
BREATHLESS, DRESSED TO KILL, STAR TREK BALANCE OF TERROR,/MIRROR MIRROR,
STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE  PART 2 OF 2,  THE KIDS ARE all right, RAGING
BULL, 
STAR TREK,  TROUBLE W/ TRIBBLES/THE THOLIAN WEB, SWEPT AWAY, ENDLESS LOVE,
FRIDAY THE 13TH, ICEMAN, KOTCH,
THEY SHOOT HORSES DON'T THEY?,  URBAN COWBOY PART 1 OF 2 . EYES OF LAURA MARS, 
HARD BODIES,  GREAT CITIES, LOVE AT FIRST BITE, 
CITIZEN KANE, HIGH ANXIETY.
end of box 5    26 discs.

box 6
POLICE ACADEMY, THE DOGS OF WAR, CUTTERS WAY, 
THE THING, ROCK, RHYTHM AND BLUES,  FASTBREAK,
UNDER FIRE, NATIONAL LAMPOONS VACATION, CADDYSHACK,
UNFAITHFULLY YOURS, AIR FORCE, TEN COMMANDMENTS PART 1 OF 2, 
TEN COMMANDMENT PART 2 OF 2, HUCKLEBERRY FINN. OLD YELLER, 
TWILGHT ZONE, STAR WARS, VICTORY AT SEA, 
YENTIL PART 1 OF 2, YENTIL PART 2 OF 2,  THE MUPPET MOVIE, 
SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON, ROYAL WEDDING,  RUSH EXIT STAGE LEFT, 
THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT, FOUL PLAY, THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER.
end of box 6. 27 discs

last  box 7.
ANNIE HALL, ALTERED STATES,  EVERYTHING YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT SEX, 
BREAKING AWAY, TATTOO, MY BODY GUARD,
NEIGHBORS, THE SUNSHINE BOYS. STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE PART 1 OF  2 
STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE PART 2 OF  2,  10, THE HOUSE ON SORORITY ROW, 
THE OMEN, TEN COMMANDMENT PART 1 OF 2, TEN COMMANDMENT PART 2 OF 2,
EXCALIBUR PART 2 OF 2, ELEPHANT MAN, ARSENIC AND OLD LACE.

end of box 7   18 discs. 
total 178 discs and 5 players.

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:09:15 -0600
From: David Potochick
To: ceds@teleport.com
Subject:  DVD or else....... 

Well, it seems that the stores in the area where I live are pretty much
forcing you to switch from LD to DVD..... Allready stores here in St.
Louis, MO are having clearance sales of all of their LD material to make
way for the DVD.... Stores that I shall leave nameless say that they will
no longer carry LD's when they start recieving DVD's..... So, it's like you
will buy DVD or else.... You have no choice.... I think it's pretty stupid
really.....  More on this later...

Dave.

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From: "Bud Klass"
To: <ceds@teleport.com>
Subject: CED's For Sale!!!
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:18:16 -0400

I have the following Ced's for sale. There are $3 each for singles and $4
each for two part discs. Plus shipping! If you want any let me know, i will
only accept money orders, sorry so checks or COD's. Email me with your
wants. 

20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA
2001 : A SPACE ODYSSEY (mono) 2 PARTS
2001 : A SPACE ODYSSEY (stereo) 2 PARTS
ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD
AIRPLANE
AMITYVILLE HORROR, THE
AMITYVILLE 2 THE POSSESSION
AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON
AND JUSTICE FOR ALL
AN OFFICER AN A GENTLEMAN 2 PARTS
ARTHUR
BACK ROADS
BEST LITTLE WHOREHOUSE IN TEXAS
BLAZZING SADDLES
BLUE LAGOON, THE
BODY DOUBLE
BOYS FROM BRAZIL, THE
BOYS IN THE BAND, THE
BREATHLESS
BRIGADOON
BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID
CABARET
CADDY SHACK
CHARIOTS OF FIRE
CHINA SYNDROME, THE
CLASH OF THE TITANS
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND 2 PARTS
COMA
COUNT OF MONTE~CRISTO, THE
CUJO
DIAL M FOR MURDER
DOLL'S HOUSE, THE
DRAGONSLAYER
DRESSED TO KILL
DR.NO
DR. ZHIVAGO 2 PARTS
EASTER PARADE
EASY MONEY
EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, THE
FIDDLER ON THE ROOF 2 PARTS
FIRST BLOOD
FLASHDANCE
FOG, THE
FORBIDDEN PLANET
FOUR MUSKETEERS, THE
FOUR SEASONS, THE
FRIDAY THE 13TH
FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
GANDHI PART 2 ONLY
GAUNTLET, THE
GODFATHER, THE 2 PARTS
GOODBYE GIRL, THE
GREASE
GREAT CARUSO, THE
GREAT ESCAPE, THE 2 PARTS
GUYS AND DOLLS 2 PARTS
HEAVEN CAN WAIT
HELLO DOLLY 2 PARTS
HOWLING, THE
HUD
INCUBUS, THE
IN PRAISE OF OLDER WOMAN
JANE FONDA'S WORKOUT CHALLENGE
JANE FONDA'S WORKOUT
JAWS
JAWS 3
JEZEBEL
KELLY'S HEROES 2 PARTS
KRAMER VS KRAMER
LA CAGE AUX FOLLIES
LADY CHATTERLEY'S LOVER
LITTLE CAESAR (RCA)
MAD MAX
MAKING LOVE
MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
MASH
MEATBALLS
MUPPET MOVIE,THE
NATIONAL LAMPOONS ANIMAL HOUSE
NATIONAL LAMPOONS VACATION
NETWORK
NORTH DALLAS FORTY
OCTOPUSSY PART 2 ONLY
OLD YELLER
OLIVIA IN CONCERT
ON GOLDEN POND
ORDINARY PEOPLE 2 PARTS
OWL AND THE PUSSYCAT, THE
POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE, THE
PSYCHO 2
PURPLE RAIN
RAGING BULL 2 PARTS
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
REDS 2 PARTS
RETURN OF THE PINK PANTHER
RETURN TO BOGGY CREEK
RICH AND FAMOUS
RICHARD PRYOR LIVE
RISKY BUSINESS
ROCKY
ROCKY 2
ROCKY 3
ROMANCING THE STONE
SANDS OF IWOJIMA
SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER
SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON
SHOOTIST, THE
SINGING IN THE RAIN
SPELLBOUND
STAR IS BORN, A 2 PARTS
STARTING OVER
STAR TREK THE MENAGERIE
STAR WARS
STAYING ALIVE
STIR CRAZY
STREETS OF FIRE
STRIPES
STUNTMAN, THE 2 PARTS
SUDDEN IMPACT
SUNSET BOULEVARD
TAKING OF PELHAM ONE TWO THREE, THE
TEN COMMANDENTS, THE 2 PARTS
TENTACLES
TERRYTOONS VOL 1 FEATURING MIGHTY MOUSE
THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY 2 PARTS
THING, THE
TOOTSIE
TOPKAPI
TRADING PLACES
TREASURE ISLAND
TRON
TRUE CONFESSIONS
VERDICT, THE 2 PARTS
VICTORY
VICTORY AT SEA
WARGAMES (RCA)
WAR OF THE WORLDS, THE
WAY WE WERE, THE
YENTL 2 PARTS
YOUNG DOCTORS IN LOVE 
ZOMBIE, THE

                               Thanks,Bud
BudKlass@sprynet.com
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